About creating & why this story is so slow

So, I’ve been getting some feedback on The Diva Story.  A few people have told me:  This Diva Story is slow. When are Milly and Hannah finally getting together?

I truly am grateful for messages with feedback, but they can be very upsetting to me too. I think anyone who ever created something – even just a slide deck or an email with an idea – knows the disheartening ‘omg, they don’t like it’ feeling.

This is why I am such a big fan of BrenΓ© Brown, who talks about vulnerability. Every time you send out an idea, a story, a slide deck, a whatever, … you become oh so vulnerable. It’s so frightening!

My wife encouraged me to blog about my struggle with ‘complaints’ or well-meant requests to speed things up. Well, to be honest, she told me to blog about ‘That’s the way the story goes. Accept it.‘ But I turned it into this post about how I create and that I didn’t decide to take it slow with this story. The story did πŸ™‚

So here are my thoughts and here’s my reply to ‘Why is this story so slow?’ It’s about how I create. It’s about how I look at creativity. And it’s a ‘Sorry, girls, this is just a slow burner. I can’t help it!

I’m curious what you think!

***spoiler alert! Listen to part 11 first!***

Why is this story so slow? For me, the story and the characters need this time to develop. But that’s just personal preference and of course, most importantly, the way the story just happens to come to me.

I mean that quite literally. I rarely sit down and think β€˜let me develop the story for the podcast’. I sit down to listen. When I start thinking about an episode or the story, I usually first get some sort of β€˜gut feel’. This can be like an atmosphere, or a feeling. Maybe even a taste.
You see, like in the book by Elizabeth Gilbert I recommended in the newsletter, I look at creativity as ideas that walk by and whisper to someone whenever they feel like it. If I’m ready and waiting for them, I can grasp what they want to say, what they want this story to be about. Then it’s up to me to put all that into words and sounds.

For part 11, I heard Hannah’s relief to be out of the city and the shift in her feelings towards Milly. For me, this episode was really important and actually quite exciting. We find out Hannah bought Milly flowers, we find out she thinks of her as β€˜Milly’ and that she cares deeply how Milly is doing.
Those are some important changes in Hannah’s world of emotions and thoughts. She has taken a couple of very important steps to get to know Milly better. They might not be literal steps, but these changes in her inner life are fundamental to make whatever will happen next possible.

Since I’m already knee deep in a very personal post, let me also say that I am deeply grateful and deeply worried at the same time when I receive this kind of feedback. One side of me panics. People hate my work! People are bored! I suck! I should stop doing this!
Another side of me is in awe and amazed that my story causes someone to feel something. Even if it is frustration because the story is slow. That gratitude grows when people take the time to email me and explain what they feel, what they go through when listening. So, thank you for that.

I understand this story feels (too) slow for some of you. But that’s just…this story. Maybe somebody else would use the ideas and create something different with it. Something faster. Something shorter. But for me, this is the only way I can bring forth The Diva Story πŸ™‚ I write it down the best way I can, I create the audio version the best way I can and then I send it out to you the best way I can.

As a creator, I have to accept my work will not be interesting to everyone. Some people will hate my stories. Others will hate this episode, but love the next. For yet another person it’s the other way around. It really is out of my control and that in itself is a very humbling, often in a painful way, experience. Sending things out into the world is a scary business!

Anyway, I hope this post  gives you a bit of insight on how I create. I can’t change the story and make it go faster, but I can speak honestly about why it is the way it is. Then I have to let it go and hope all (y)our wishes are granted by the next idea walking by πŸ˜‰ I look forward to writing down part 12. I’ve seen some interesting things flash by…

Sigrid

24 responses to “About creating & why this story is so slow”

  1. J Davis Avatar
    J Davis

    Sigrid, you are an AMAZING story teller. We want things to happen faster because we have all become emotionally invested. We want that happy ending…. but we have to wait to get there! They story is what makes the end of the story so fulfilling / frustrating / exasperating / satisfying (depending on what kind of story you’re writing of course!)

    I look forward so much to each episode and put my desires for speed to the back of my mind. I have been focusing on the sounds as a way of further understanding the details of the story. I have to listen to each episode (with headphones) a few times. First the overall story and then again focusing on the sounds and then a third time bringing the first two together.

    I LOVE YOUR WORK!!!

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      Hi J,

      *smiles* Thank you. For this kind comment and for being patient πŸ˜‰

      I love that you have a separate ‘sound listen’. My wife often asks “Are you sure anyone notices all those details?!” Adding all those things usually takes the most of my time!

      But it’s also the most fun part, apart from writing. It’s when I completely lose track of time and just go with the flow.

      So I would never consider stop adding the details even if I did know no one noticed, haha. Knowing someone does, makes it all the more fun!

    2. Meg Avatar
      Meg

      So agree, 3 times is a charm!

  2. SCC Avatar
    SCC

    Personally, I like the build-up, and the characters kind of remind me of me and my wife when we first met.

    ……Hell aren’t the best stories kinda like that? Ross and Rachel… Meredith Grey and McDreamy… Beatrice and Benedict… virtually everything by Jane Austen… I digress.

    I like to see what a character is made of. I like that Hannah sort of fucked up her first impression without even meaning to, and kinda keeps fucking up in these simple and honest mistakes, but she’s trying and thinking and thinking about ways to keep trying. Who doesn’t relate to that?!

    And I like that Milly’s walking this moral line between self-interest and self-preservation. It’s more honest when characters are self reflective. I like that she went to Houston, but still habitually watches a video of Hannah. She’s so regimented and disciplined, and yet inexperienced in an endearingly naive way.

    I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I can excitedly read between the lines of all this groundwork, and I’m grateful for the anticipation. I think it especially makes for amazing lesbian romance: first and foremost, women are seduced mentally and with wordplay, and anticipation is… important.

    (Warning: overly pretentious comment) It’s like Lacan says about desiring the Other and our thought of desire: β€œI think where I am not, therefore I am where I do not think. I am not whenever I am the plaything of my thought; I think of what I am where I do not think to think.” (I know, I know, I’m sorry)

    I’ve never read Brene Brown, although it sounds like I really should. But I’ve listened to a lot of Taylor Swift. Fucking love 1989. If Taylor Swift can brush off haters and heartbreak and turn them into Grammy’s and a pop music empire that everyone knows, well… That’s pretty inspiring, I just have to say. So, you know… just keep going your own way πŸ˜‰ because a lot of people really love your work.

    1. same Avatar
      same

      And by your way I mean… Stay true to your story

      1. Sigrid Avatar
        Sigrid

        I will πŸ™‚ Thank you.

    2. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      Hey SCC πŸ˜‰

      Well, I don’t think I have ever googled Taylor Swift. But I just did πŸ˜‰ I’ll have to look into that album! It sounds like an inspiring statement.

      As for the quote, I’m going to have to read that one again with some coffee in the morning…after a good night of sleep πŸ˜€ Believe me, I’ve tried to grasp its meaning properly. I’ll get back to it.

      I like anticipation too. It’s actually part of the fun for me – even when writing. I often have no clue where the story will go. So I kind of get to enjoy its twists and turns too.

      And yes, that’s kinda how we met too. Slooowly. If I would turn the story of how my wife and I met into a podcast, I think I could easily make it to more than 100 episodes without us even meeting πŸ˜‰

      1. SCC Avatar
        SCC

        One of my favorite episodes of TLR was #3 of The Diva Story, when H and M met over dinner. I love the detail in their different attire, that Millie stuck to water while Hannah was itching for gin, the attention of the wait staff (hmmm), that they ordered the same entree because Hannah hadn’t looked at the menu. I love it because I can feel the whole scene, and it feels so, so terribly awkward. πŸ™‚ And shouldn’t it?!

        It reminded me of our first date, and I remembered how terribly awkward it was in ways that I hadn’t thought of in a while. Those silent moments… How you try filling the silence with anything, wind up saying silly things or something weird, how you’re inner monologue starts yelling “Did you REALLY just say that right now?!!”… How you’re torn between listening to her talk and frantically thinking of a reply that’ll sound funny or smart… How you’re too nervous to eat, and praying to God that there’s nothing in your teeth.

        Maybe somewhere out there is a woman confident and cool enough to turn that first dinner into something hot and passionate, but I sure as hell don’t know her. πŸ™‚

        I know what evolves from awkward dinners. What happens as you get to know that woman sitting across from you, who’s just as vulnerable and nervous as you are. I know that there’s this moment when all of that changes. The change happens gradually, but the realization is this single, incredible moment, and I can’t wait to see Hannah and Millie have that moment. Or Millie and Suzanne… Not ruling out some wild and crazy, cliff-hanging final plot twist so soon. This IS TLR, after all. πŸ™‚

        1. Sigrid Avatar
          Sigrid

          That’s actually one of my favorites too. I loved writing and editing that scene. My wife’s favorite too. She loved the awkwardness so much, hehe.

  3. Chris Avatar

    Just focus on your story and the way you wish to develop it. Each one has been different and I appreciate character investigation so I’m enjoying what you are building here. Creative criticism can sting, but it is also how we grow as creatives. The real art is filtering critique in a way that deepens our craftsmanship while keeping our vision and project goals intact.

    One thing I might suggest is giving a greater span of time between creation of an episode and publication, have 2 or 3 weeks finished before you release an episode. We can be so raw right after a work is finished and that is never a good time for critique. A little distance might be a good buffer that takes some sting out of feedback as you are already 3 or 4 steps down the path of the narrative and can revel a bit in the eager squirming of the audience.

    Yeah it will suck as a listener to have to wait while you stockpile a few finished episodes, but we can all deal with that if it works for you. It is all personal preference in the end– Have fun how you work.

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      Hi Chris,

      Thank you for this comment. I admire your work and I really appreciate you posting your thoughts here!
      I love your suggestion. I actually tried to do this not too long ago when I took a month off. I wanted to create 4 episodes before I launched The Diva Story.
      But you know how life always gets in the way. My aunt died 12 days in. After that, I just needed the rest of the time to grieve and take care of my family.
      I never looked at it from your perspective, though. I wanted less time pressure. You made me realise there’s another – even bigger – benefit.
      I do feel very raw right after I finish an episode. And yes, I am extra sensitive. Time really does create a bit of distance!
      Thank you so much for that insight. I will be thinking about it a lot these coming days and will be looking for ways to give myself that buffer.

      1. Sigrid Avatar
        Sigrid

        PS to everyone: Go check out Chris’ amazing work! I am in awe of both the portraits and her illustration work! http://www.chrisbeetow.com

  4. Emma Avatar
    Emma

    I’m only at episode 5 or 6 so I skimmed through the comments which may have had spoilers but I love a good slow burn. Too many books/stories are unrealistic because by page 5 the main characters are madly in love and planning their wedding. Life rarely pans out that way. Your stories are amazing, they get me through many a gym session. Have faith in your ability and remember that you will never please everybody all of the time. Like you say, sometimes an individual will love an episode and then hate the next. Think of your favourite musician, do you like every single one of their songs? I doubt it. Can’t wait to catch up with the story.

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      Hey Emma,

      Oh no! You saw the spoilers! πŸ™‚

      Thank you so much for your kind comment. I can’t believe you listen to the podcast at the gym! I know other listeners do as well.

      When I listen to a story, I tend to stop moving. My co-workers once had to wave at me because I had been sitting in front of my computer, with my mouth open and my fingers frozen on the keyboard, for at least 5 minutes.

      I had to giggle about the page 5 comment. I guess everyone writes the story they want to write, and that’s fine. That’s something I have learned from doing this podcast. You will rarely hear me comment (negatively) on someone else’s work anymore!

      But personally, I also prefer a slow burner. Like SCC said, I like the characters to be seduced mentally. I like the anticipation. I guess that’s why my own characters don’t fall head over heels in love straight away. Not consciously at least πŸ˜‰

      1. Emma Avatar
        Emma

        I must admit that there have been times at the gym where I have literally come to a standstill so that I can fully concentrate on what’s coming through my headphones! I’m fairly certain I’ve blushed once or twice at certain parts too!! I’m saving up a load of episodes to binge listen to when I go on holiday in a couple of weeks. Thanks in advance for the entertainment πŸ˜€

  5. Marcie53 Avatar
    Marcie53

    I didn’t think it was slow at all. Actually I just listened to these ones again 5 to 12 (honestly I’ve never listened to the same podcast twice other than this one) tonight while running near the ocean as the fog rolled in and out. I even chose to walk instead of bike to work two days last week so I could hear the story. I was so interested to find out what happened next at the end of every single episode. It isn’t a race and even if it was I think it is critical to pace yourself. I am talking about running again….

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      πŸ˜€ Thank you. Hey, running/hiking have a lot in common with storytelling. Pace is everything!

  6. Marcie53 Avatar
    Marcie53

    What was the book by Elizabeth Gilbert that you recommended in the newsletter that you referenced in this post? I coincidentally went back to read this tonight. When I saw her name I thought it was an interesting coincidence because of the unfortunate circumstances you shared this morning.

    Oh and I never did bike again last year. Just so I could walk and listen to you. Sometimes I’d be able to make it to early December on my bike.

    I listened to one of her TED talks today too and it gave me plenty to think about. Like what you go through in your line of work. Sorry I could probably keep going but I think I’ve said more than my fair share.

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      That must be β€˜Big Magic’ ! I think I can probably share a link to the newsletter. I’ll look for it later today.

      1. Marcie53 Avatar
        Marcie53

        Thank you. I don’t mind if you enjoy the rest of your weekend first. It can wait.

        1. Sigrid Avatar
          Sigrid

          Here it is πŸ™‚ You can also see the other newsletters by clicking on Past Issues!

          http://mailchi.mp/lesbianromantic/the-joy-of-creating-part-11

  7. zizichan Avatar
    zizichan

    Hey, Sigrid, I know I’m arriving a little late to this discussion, but I just discovered this post about creating. I just wanted to share something with you. I am struggling with story telling myself and besides my own issues and thoughts about how good or bad is what I do, I have to deal with the comments of others, which is difficult to turn into something constructive sometimes. Anyway… I stumbled upon your podcast because I was looking for good storytelling, good narration.

    I listened to The Diva Story first and I was just amazed by the detailed audio, and how much care you put into every character, making them vulnerable and full of flaws, but still endearing and relatable. The slow pace of the story adds a lot emotions as a sort of subtext, but it also adds an engaging ingredient that is very hard to create. I don’t know if you do it on purpose, but this slow pace + an episode a week invites the listeners to put a lot of imagination into the story, and with that you let us be kind of co-authors of the story as it develops (even tough you has the reins of it. It’s hard to explain).

    I listened to The Blogger Story afterwards, and it stressed my opinion about your work. The importance of audio details, how relatable the characters are… I must say that creating flat characters is very easy; to create -as you’ve done- characters with a myriad of emotions is the hardest thing. And yet, you make it look so simple! You make the hardest of tasks look natural. Every scene (in all 3 stories) is full of colors in all variations, they’re not just white or black.

    How on earth could you tell a story with such characteristics in full throttle acceleration? It’s not possible. It would take everything that is good from it. You take your time to tell us about little things. Our own lives are full of little things we don’t take the time to appreciate (sadly). No one listens to the crickets anymore, the sounds the barista produces when making your coffee at a any given coffee house, how the snow crackles when you step on it… You have made me listen to those things again, pay attention. You’ve made me appreciate silence and the power in it even more.

    Now I am hooked with Connection Concealed, and I am humbled by the way you have mastered your art (in every sense). I have learnt a great deal. So, thank you. Thank you for being so generous, for sharing your creative process and not just the final results, for the idea of this fellowship. Thank you for being vulnerable and show us how powerful it could be. 😊

    1. Sigrid Avatar
      Sigrid

      *sniffs* I was reading this and something flew into my eyes…. Crazy. πŸ˜‰

      Thank you so much.

  8. Madi2112 Avatar
    Madi2112

    Having now got caught up on all the stories, my favorite is still The Diva Story.

    I absolutely love that it took some time and work for Hannah and Milly to finally get togather.

    Thier relationship took many months to develop as relationships in the “real wotld” often do.

    I also love the fact that they had some severe ups and downs along the way. That they had those moments of insecurities and questions about things.

    Perhaps it’s because I saw a number of parallels between my LTR and this story, or maybe because it seems so real, but I love this story so deeply!

    My only issue would be I want more!

    The 12 days of Romance and the Christmas extra helped a lot, but I still want more! LOL

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